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Post by Atlas on Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:15 pm

Feel free to post here some screenshots, videos or just describe what you are currently working on!

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Re: Show us What You're Working On

Post by Atlas on Mon May 02, 2016 7:31 pm

Working on a random crash site, just for fun and practice!


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Post by falkbeard on Mon May 02, 2016 10:22 pm



Modelling a few concepts right now to get a decent amount of meshes. Will post more as they become more refined.

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Post by Atlas on Mon May 02, 2016 10:36 pm

@falkbeard wrote:

Modelling a few concepts right now to get a decent amount of meshes. Will post more as they become more refined.

Dude, wow! just wow, i can't believe you already started working on the rocks! You're amazing! Very Happy

Tomorrow i am gonna send you some pics from the skyrim creation kit so you can get a look at the mountain pieces that we will need. I don't mean to pressure you or anything (since we're not in any rush) but have you had any progress with the Khan tents?

Ps: I subscribed to your channel, you got some really cool 3d models in there!

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Post by falkbeard on Mon May 02, 2016 10:50 pm

Just checked the embedded video and the quality on it is awful! haha give it an hour to do its stuff and it should look neater.

Yeah mate just send me them and I'll do my thing. Regarding the tents I had a basic frame modeled out but took a huff with it as it was going wrong in places normal wise and faces etc. So i've scrapped it and going to go back and really study the making of the tents etc so I've got a clear picture.

Oh dear I always hate when people talk about the videos on there. I mainly use it as a sketchbook basically and post everything lol.

Come to think of it there's one model I really liked and could see it somewhere in this mod (raider or scavenger piece)


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Post by Calderiaän on Mon May 02, 2016 10:53 pm

Oh my horse ! this is just ... just amazing !

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Post by Atlas on Mon May 02, 2016 11:31 pm



Also fooling around in the ck by making a bunker. They really changed a lot the building system. In skyrim and their previous games, exterior buildings used to be one piece each. Now there's kits of building pieces and you can make buildings in many different ways as the system is very modular. That's a very welcome change!

@falkbeard wrote:Just checked the embedded video and the quality on it is awful! haha give it an hour to do its stuff and it should look neater.

Yeah mate just send me them and I'll do my thing. Regarding the tents I had a basic frame modeled out but took a huff with it as it was going wrong in places normal wise and faces etc. So i've scrapped it and going to go back and really study the making of the tents etc so I've got a clear picture.

Oh dear I always hate when people talk about the videos on there. I mainly use it as a sketchbook basically and post everything lol.

Come to think of it there's one model I really liked and could see it somewhere in this mod (raider or scavenger piece)


Alright mate, no worries! Take all the time you need, i am sure that you're gonna make them awesome (also remember that you're free to take artistic liberties, they don't have to be exact copies)! Very Happy

That's also a very good looking model, i am sure we can use that somewhere in the mod!

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Post by falkbeard on Tue May 03, 2016 3:41 pm





Some progress shots of the Yurt, Will then be exporting it to a software for some cloth simulations etc.

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Post by Atlas on Tue May 03, 2016 4:02 pm

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Some progress shots of the Yurt, Will then be exporting it to a software for some cloth simulations etc.

Stunning! Really good job Falkbeard, can't wait to see how it will look ingame!

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Post by falkbeard on Tue May 03, 2016 4:25 pm

Should have mentioned, the first is before alterations and the second is the finished frame. Although I don't know if its a little too high poly for the mod. Can you tell how much Vertices etc a mesh has in the CK?

Thanks Atlas' Now comes the really fun part with the cloth lol

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Post by Atlas on Tue May 03, 2016 4:47 pm

@falkbeard wrote:Should have mentioned, the first is before alterations and the second is the finished frame. Although I don't know if its a little too high poly for the mod. Can you tell how much Vertices etc a mesh has in the CK?

Thanks Atlas' Now comes the really fun part with the cloth lol

I've never dabbled with 3d modeling so i am not sure about the poly count. According to this thread for skyrim, they mention that you should never go above 25.000. I'd suggest skimming through that thread yourself in order to figure what's the best number as i am not equipped with the knowledge to accurately say.

This thread also has the poly count of various skyrim models but nothing in regards to architecture, it's worth a look though.

Finally, i think that a good idea would be to download these two mods (as they seem to be relatively close to the size of the tent) and check their poly count:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24271/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24827/?

Sorry, i couldn't be of any more help!

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Post by falkbeard on Tue May 03, 2016 8:14 pm

Alright so I've checked these links (thanks a ton btw!) and a few others and it seems (in Skyrims case anyway) that the largest models are around 50-60,000 now there is no way in hell I will be nearing that with any of the models but I now know my buffer.

Weapons like the gatling laser contain around 10,000 tris. Could not find a lot on Buildings but I assume they will be under the same constraints. As it stands my model is sitting at 6,000+ tris without any of the cloth and the rope bindings. I'll be considering making 3 versions of each model then 1 to be loaded at a minimum distance of say 100m, 2 to be loaded at 25m and another one for interior cells. I assume each interior cell is now allowed thousands of tris in the scene as there is no worldmap etc to load so I am under no constraints there other than keep it below 150-200,00 tris.

My guess after I have tried a few strategies on the cloth is the model will be sitting at around 10,000 tris which I can get down maybe half that without losing too much detail.

Atlas can you tell me if the importer for getting models into the CK is nifskope? If so, there is a limit the importer can handle and that is 66,969 tris.

Once we have the lore and concept worked out for most of the objects landmarks etc I'm going to sit down and compile a list of every object in the game etc that needs to be modeled instead of the vanilla stuff and I'll be categorizing it by estimated tris count and priority.

Away to start work on tactic #2 as #1 cooked my computer Mad

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Post by Atlas on Tue May 03, 2016 8:59 pm

From what i have been reading from tutorials around the internet, i think that the importer is nifskope. At least all of the tutorials that i can find, make mention of it.


Tutorials:

I haven't gotten around to learning how to import new stuff yet, because i never had custom assets until now Razz

I will make sure to study the tutorials religiously over the next days.

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Re: Show us What You're Working On

Post by falkbeard on Wed May 04, 2016 12:47 am





Cloth simulation #2 looks promising. it's nearly 11pm here and I'm going to call it a day soon. Quite happy with the progress on this today!

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Post by Atlas on Wed May 04, 2016 4:15 pm

@falkbeard wrote:



Cloth simulation #2 looks promising. it's nearly 11pm here and I'm going to call it a day soon. Quite happy with the progress on this today!

Wow man, its looking absolutely great! Really good job! Very Happy

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Post by Calderiaän on Wed May 04, 2016 8:20 pm

Geez , can't wait to make mah house in one of these Very Happy

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Post by Atlas on Fri May 06, 2016 7:02 pm

No pictures yet, but i made some drastic changes to the map (added rivers & lakes) by hand as i was unhappy with their lack from the map.

I've been generating lod for the past 6 hours and it's still not finished (yes, it actually takes that long).

I am also studying the region generation tool which allows to generate terrain objects/textures automatically and i am also working on importing some new ground/environment textures into the creation kit (specifically some of these ones)

I'll post some screenshots later if everything turns out alright!

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Post by Atlas on Sat May 07, 2016 10:25 pm

After two exhausting days of crashes and troubles, i finally made it!

What i did:

1. Added Rivers/Lakes and trenches (i will have to add water to them manually)

2. Generated LOD successfully again (this was the main problem that kept me busy for the last two days)

3. Found out how to import custom land textures and how to fix them from being extremely shiny.

4. Changed the Map in the Pip-Boy.

5. Added a ton of locations on the map (map markers only).

6. Experimented a bit with the region generation tool, which allows to spawn textures/objects automatically for certain areas and thus landscape them really quick. Unfortunately, whilst i made some progress on learning how to use this tool, it got completely broken and is now unusable for me. This is a major setback and fixing it is my main concern atm.


Some Screenies::






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Post by falkbeard on Sun May 08, 2016 4:08 pm

That map in the pip boy is looking awesome!

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Post by Atlas on Sun May 08, 2016 4:19 pm

@falkbeard wrote:That map in the pip boy is looking awesome!

Thanks mate!

Today i had more progress, small but progress nonetheless.

I added borders to the world

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Meaning that when the player reaches an area near the edges of the worldspace, they will not be able to proceed.

Finally, i started working on the ruins of one of the cities (feel free to guess which one Wink )

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Don't mind the red texture, its just a way to estimate where i will place roads!

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Post by Calderiaän on Sun May 08, 2016 4:27 pm

Looks good !

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Post by Atlas on Sun May 08, 2016 9:19 pm

Considering we have a desert area in the worldspace (Red Desert)
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I decided that it would be a good idea to edit some of the vanilla textures so that they fit the needs of our worldspace.

Here's a comparison screenshot of my first edited texture

Arid Ground


Beach Sand turned into Desert Sand


Rocky

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Post by falkbeard on Sun May 08, 2016 10:19 pm

The rocky sand is very nice but the arid ground and desert sand look far too strong.

Maybe we could import custom created textures? I could make a texture where it is red and rock in the deep cracks but more discoloured and bright where the sun hits.

How are we going to proceed with the mountain textures etc? Btw i have received your message atlas and ive got some news which will likely mean i wont be able to do anything on my computer for the next week or two .
Will message you when i can explaining mate

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Post by Atlas on Sun May 08, 2016 10:44 pm

@falkbeard wrote:The rocky sand is very nice but the arid ground and desert sand look far too strong.

Maybe we could import custom created textures? I could make a texture where it is red and rock in the deep cracks but more discoloured and bright where the sun hits.

How are we going to proceed with the mountain textures etc? Btw i have received your message atlas and ive got some news which will likely mean i wont be able to do anything on my computer for the next week or two .
Will message you when i can explaining mate

We can definitely make new textures but i don't see the reason to, since i believe that by recoloring the vanilla ones, we retain visual parity (and perhaps make it easier to upload the mod later on for console users etc) as well as reducing effort and task load.

This is the first iteration of the textures, so yeah they're not perfect i am gonna keep messing around until i reach a satisfactory point. However, keep in mind that within the CK i can control their opacity when applying them to the ground so they won't necessarily look so strong (what you saw in the screens was 100% opacity). I am working on a small area right now as a test, to see how it's gonna turn out with these textures. Will post my progress here later.


EDIT

Editing this post in order not to spam the thread with my posts.

Here's the screenshots from the test of the new textures

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Mixture of all (at about 50% opacity)


Standing on the desert sand



Arid Hill


Rocky Hill


Need to drop the glossyness of the sand though

I think that overall, it looks better than i expected it would. There's still a lot of work to be done but feel free to let me know what you think.

EDIT 2: 9/5/2016, 4:15

I finally got the Region tool working again! This is a huge success, because that tool will automatically do most of the external landscaping according to my specifications. I am still messing around with it in order to learn how to use it effectively. You can see some of my early progress with it in the following screenshots, all textures were generated automatically by the regions tool:

Red Desert:





Kinda messy and not so good looking yet, but this is one of my first attempts with this tool, so this is extremely promising stuff!

EDIT 3: 9/5/2016, 4:50

After studying various photographs from Wyoming's Red Desert, i messed a bit more with the texture colors to make them more fitting. It's actually starting to look nice now!

New Texture Colors :




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Post by Calderiaän on Mon May 09, 2016 10:59 pm

Well that's a major change . However the sand texture looks a bit ... weird . Looks more like a liquid thing .

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